Node-o-rama

I think that movie is strongly Aquarian. I always feel this eerie detachment when I watch it. In fact, I feel that whenever I watch most Kubrick films. I wonder if Kubrick has any Aquarius in his chart.

Anyway, innit a fun game?

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Btw, contrast the ending of Casablanca--in which the main character sacrifices his love for a larger cause--, with the ending of The English Prisoner, in which the main character endangers the entire fate of a country (Egypt) in order to save his beloved.



You bet this ending completely appalled my Leonine-Piscean nature. Hello, I know that Kristin Scott-Thomas is hot to trot but what about those poor Egyptians?! What about sticking it to the Nazis? What about the fate of the entire world?!! Not cool, Ralphie, baby. Not cool at all.

What astrological stuff do you think was going on there?

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Let us know what he says!

I'd say that Scarlett O'Hara is a Scorpio Sun: she's a survivor, feminine, and kinda perverse (though I don't think that's so much her Scorpio as some Plutonian aspect). I'd say she's got Mars in the 1st house, too, bc she seems very egoistic to me but at the same time she's very persuasive. But then there's her weirdly delusional love for that milquetoast, what's his name, Ashley? I mean, that guy is clearly some Libra/Pisces combo, way too sweet and nice and PASSIVE for her. Arrgh. Rhett is definitely the guy for her and to me he's Aries with a strong Mars in Aries too?

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It's very true about Kubrick-- All his films are super detached, and he was a famous recluse (also hated to fly, most interestingly-- All of Eyes Wide Shut, which takes place in NYC, was shot on soundstages in Britain). 

Interesting, he has not a single planet in Aquarius, born July 26, 1928, Bronx, NY, only asteroid Pallas in ret-- Moon either Sco or Sag. His Ur is in Aries. 

However, he does have Jup in a close conjunction with Chiron, which can indicate a kind of loneliness or let's say singularity (I have this, actually, his is in Taurus) and it's square his Venus in Leo Venus. Leo Nep squares his Taurean Mars too.  Still, no Aquarius...

Your Norma Desmond is right on, VenusSquare!! As are your Scarlett, Rhett and Ashley! Ashley is a total wet noodle.  That Melanie has a lot of Cancer in her, very nurturing.  Mammy must be a Leo with a strong Mercury hook-up. Please report to us, Chris, what your group decides.

Homework for my first year astro class - I had to come up with people or characters who seemed to represent the energy of various signs...

From memory, the ones I came up with were:

Gwyneth Paltrow's lead character in 'Emma'  a few yrs back as Libra.
Heath Ledger's lead character in 'A Knight's Tale' as Leo.
The whole series of 'Six Feet Under' as Scorpio.
Simon Baker as the lead character in law drama, 'The Guardian' as Capricorn.
Carrie Bradshaw in 'Sex in the City' as Gemini.
All the seven dwarves in 'Snow White' as Taurus.
The character, Robin, from Batman and Robin as Aries.

That's all I can remember off the top of my head - I found it heaps of fun!!

Pinky

I'm thinking about certain comic types who have an underlying current of sadness or frustration (or even anger for some).  Not sure why Woody Allen comes to mind in "Annie Hall." He's a comedian and a writer, a nervous Virgo sun-conjunct Mercury type (where does comedy fall in the charts? Is that Libra?  Would he be a Libra rising?  Sag? Perfect for something surface that others perceive, yet where there's a deeper element...).

But as someone with trouble committing to relationships, even messing them up purposefully, I'd throw in a Pluto opposing that Venus asc for him, maybe even squared Chiron-- he's obsessive and can't resolve that pain, but then tries to just laugh it away by writing a play about the whole romantic episode.

Carrie Bradshaw is definitely a Gemini! A writer, an indescisive.  Perhaps she has her Venus in Taurus.  Not only does she like men, she sure likes clothes!

THough I think some of those seven dwarves are definitely Capricorns! After all, they whistle while they work...

I like the Gone with the Wind hypotheses.

Vivian Leigh is such a Scorpio, that I think it must have absolutely bled across into her portrayal of Scarlett...but for me, the real character of Scarlett is a little too brazen for Scorpio sun...

To me, Scarlett feels like a Taurus Sun (stubborn as heck, but loves the land, loves money - vain), with Scorpio rising, Mars in Scorpio in the 1st house - (giving the smouldering sex appeal and the power to carry it off, plus her taste for underhanded, covert operations - which she is not actually good at doing (a Scorpio sun would be).  With her touch for making money and strong survival instinct, I'd first think of a Capricorn Moon, but add in her general hard-headedness about her love for Ashley, and my opinion changes to Aries Moon.

I just did a little bit of internet research: Scarlett was 16 on Apr. 12, 1861 - when the novel begins - meaning her birthday would have been between 1845 and 12 Apr 1844.  If one looks at the time when her sun could have been in Taurus, I would lean towards the latter end of the period, because that would give her a Venus in Cancer, Mars in Gemini and an Aries Moon. 

Melanie may have several planets in Cancer - but I see her sun/moon as more of a Virgo thing.  Maybe a Virgo with Cancer Rising?  I don't really see sun/moon in Cancer because she seemingly lacks the emotional variability I'm used to seeing in people with these placements.  Also - most water moons I've encountered have at least some small tendency towards jealousy - which is clearly absent in Melanie.

I think of Mammy as a Leo with Gemini or Sag. rising, and a Taurus moon.

Ashley - I can totally see the Pisces/Libra combo going on there...with no earth in his chart what-so-ever.

Rhett seems to me to be all fire and earth, with maybe Gemini rising, adding a rogueish charm and lightness to his personality.

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I'm such a baffoon. The movie I'm talking about is called Domino, not Bounty Hunter and the actress is Kiera Knightly.

Aries62 wrote:

Girseach,

Your assessment of GWTW is pretty right on, except I really disagree with you about Melanie.  Why would she have a Virgo sun or moon?  This makes no sense to me.  She's neither that precise nor that fussy (I'm a Virgo rising, so this is my turf!)  I hear you about the Cancer thing, but I think Melanie is all just empathy and sweet stuff, which Virgos are not necessarily.  She could just be a Pisces/Libra like her Ashley... She's also not that tough emotionally nor physically either, remember, Scarlett has to care for her for a big chunk of the movie. I"m thinking Pisces sun fer sure.

Aries62 - thinking about it, I would have to agree with your commments about Melanie, she does have that 'noble victim' thing nailed down - which works with a Pisces sun.  (Ashley, I would guess is more of a Libra sun or even an Aquarius)  She is frail, but does have some pretty stern stuff underneath...maybe a sag. or libra moon - in their highest manifestation of care for others.

I'm enjoying this so much - and I think it's a great learning tool...unfortunately, I haven't seen the English Patient, but maybe someone wants to suggest another movie to analyse?


Girseach

The movie I keep thinking of, great character flick.. an epic.. don't laugh, but.... Harold and Kumar go to White Castle.  I loved this movie.

There's Kumar representing Jupiter.. super smart without even trying..  always up for an adventure, always pushing it further and further.  Kind of an Aquarius thing going on there, playing up to his father but rebelling against his father's plan for him. 

Then there's Harold with the Saturnian thing going on, wanting to stay out of trouble, worried about his car, laptop with him, trying to get his work done, passive until he's pushed over the brink enough to discover his strength.

Of course the whole theme of the story is Neptunian as hell..  two guys get high :neptune: and set out for the perfect :neptune: stoner food.    And when they do arrive at White Castle (via hang glider no less), it's portrayed as the Gates of Heaven.

Aries62 wrote:

I'm thinking about certain comic types who have an underlying current of sadness or frustration (or even anger for some).  He's a comedian and a writer, a nervous Virgo sun-conjunct Mercury type (where does comedy fall in the charts? Is that Libra?  Would he be a Libra rising?  Sag? Perfect for something surface that others perceive, yet where there's a deeper element...).

Comic signs, well, let's see. Geminis are very witty, sharp and quick with a comeback. Think 30s screwball comedy. The dialogue in 30s comedies is fast, effervescent and full of puns. Not a vulgar or crass type of comedy, either, hence the air sign.

Comedy always has a bit of a sting, as you say, that's why I don't see it as all that Libran although just about all the Librans I know have a sense of fun and humor.

Cancer is also a very funny sign, although they don't necessarily come across that way at first. My sister, who used to be HILARIOUS (now not so much), has three planets in Cancer, including the Sun. Even as a little kid she was very funny. There's a certain zaniness in Cancer, as well as a bit of a brooding quality.

Capricorns also have a gift for the biting comment. They do have a Saturnine demeanor but they have a gift for satire. Oh, I think Jim Carrey is a Capricorn. I can't remember but that astrology/movie site has an article on him.

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Ironically, I've got His Girl Friday Tivo'd! I've been wanting to see it! ALso Harold and Kumar!

FYI, did anyone know that Marlene Dietrich was a die-hard astrology fan?  I read this long ago in her obit:

http://www.nytimes.com/learning/general … /1227.html

Born dec. 27, 1902, Berlin (no time provided): Moon in either Cancer or Leo, Sun/Chiron/Merc conjunct in early Cap, as well as Sat/Jup/Mars in late Cap (that's a whole lotta Cap! Some of this could oppose her Moon, depending on time of birth). 

But for this ambi-sexual stunner, Venus in Aquarius sextiling Uranus in Sag and trining Pluto in Gem (you go, girl! Making the best of a complicated situation), and her NNode in Scorpio!  She spent the last years of her life hiding from the public (Did anyone see that fascinating documentary about her life directed by Maximillian Schell?  He conversed with her in her apartment, but she refused to be photographed, and insisted on covering all the mirrors with sheets so he wouldn't catch a glimpse of her. So he just walked around, checking out her place with her voice in the b.g., commenting).

Strangely, no planets in Taurus... Juno at critical degree 29 Virgo, thereby making her partnering likes and dislikes really specific.

Film is also indicated at Critical 29 Neptune in Gemini opposing Sun/Merc/Chiron and squaring that Juno! Hmm, anyone see a conflict there?

Anyone see her in "Touch of Evil"?  She's hysterical! We could easily take apart Orson Welles' character in that movie (a greedy, corrupt, slob), as well as others' (macho Charlton Heston, simpy, ultra-femme Janet Leigh, gang leader Mercedes McCambridge).  Anyone see it? A must see!