Node-o-rama

I have :venus: trine :pluto: in my natal chart and my boyfriend does also (giving us the same aspect in our composite chart).  What makes it extraordinary to me is that our venuses are conjunct (by 7 degrees) and our plutos are also conjunct (8 degrees).  Some books describe this as a "soul mate" synastry, and I really feel that's true.  We've been together 5 years and I can feel that this relationship has already transformed many things in both of us.  It's really beautiful and even with the trine there's lots of passion. 

IN the past relationship I wrote about (where we shared challenging venus/pluto and mars/pluto aspects)  I just read my post again and I'm afraid I painted a very negative picture.  There was a lot of beauty to that relationship, too, although it was short.   I recall that there were other aspects at play that made me feel claustrophobic  -- mainly my uranus squaring his ascendant, and his pisces moon squaring my gemini sun. 

I have to beware of isolating one aspect in these discussions and neglecting to mention other possible contributing factors.

Neptune and Pluto both move very slowly.  So if you're with someone around the same age as you, you will have Neptune conjunct each other's Neptunes and Pluto conjunct each others Plutos.  So if someone around your age has Venus opposite Pluto, they will have Venus opposite your Pluto too.  Someone with a lot of planets around Neptune will activate Neptune for anyone in his age group...  So the synastric links you mentioned are not at all uncommon, you share them with basically everyone you went to school with! 

Molly

Every time I look at this thread, I think of replying.  Then, I decide not to.  Sometimes I feel like I post too much on this forum, and I try to LIMIT myself so I don't become a nuisance!

Truth is, Pluto is such an integral part of my chart, I can't really relate to the idea that Pluto isn't important (some traditional astrologers don't use it at all).  I can see that a horary chart can be judged without looking at it, unless it is on an angle and seems to be relevant.  (I often think it is relevant when another might not notice it, though.)

I have a love/hate relationship with Pluto.  It's in my 7th, and aspects almost everything else in my chart.  My life has been full of things like:  father dying day first grandchild was born.  Like that.  Powerful events seem to be more normal for me than normal days.  OR maybe I just feel a powerful stress.

I've wondered about the Pluto in Leo generation.  Heart attacks, death rates of heart attacks, new findings on preventing etc etc etc.  Pluto in Libra?  Could that be connected to the HIV epidemic?  I'm just throwing out a thought, not well formed, but I worry sometimes about what has happened to our planet, and the people in it.  Trends seem to slam into home base and we find ourselves not getting that home run but being called OUT because of something we didn't do.

In synastry, I agree with the post by Molly, but I also see wisdom in the post just before mine.  I tend not to see ALOT of synastry aspects with Pluto but I bet there's more that I don't see.  I wonder if midpoints involving Pluto are more powerful....? 

Sometimes I absolutely HATE my Pluto energy.  I come off too strong, too overbearing, too pushy, too manipulative, and that isn't what I'm thinking at all!  It's not where my HEART is.  But it can be my manner sometimes.  I can't count the times this week that I have thought about Pluto energy and wise use of it.  I think as I age I temper that energy more, but I wonder, will it take me to age 80 to get a grip and mellow?

My twins have their Mercury conjunct my Pluto in the 7th.  That's been nice.  It's as if they understand what I mean, even if the world may not at times.  Many times, their friends would react to something I said or did, thoughtlessly, and they would later tell me, laughing, because they didn't take me wrong, but someone else did.  Open mouth, insert Foot, Sag Sun.

Now that I'm warmed up, VENUS PLUTO was the subject.  I hate to claim that I have these two square in my natal.  I read somewhere it causes sugar over dosing/loving (true).  My husband's Venus is sextile my Pluto.  My Mars is sextile his Pluto.  We sure used to get into power struggles.........until we learned to let it be between us.

Sorry if I rambled......it's late, just got off work, and I don't feel like doing much else!

I hope I didn't sound like that's what I thought you said, Molly, because that's not what I thought.  I do know people who tell me over and over that it isn't important.  BUT I just don't buy that.  For horary, ok.  But not for natal. 

You are VERY right in saying it isn't WOO WOO synastric connection, IMHO.  I'm sure you're right about way more stuff that I too, since this is more your area of specialty and just a research/hobby/on the side thing for me. 

I've just been mulling over Pluto stuff lately.  and spilled alot out in that post, which I almost didn't type, because I somehow thought no matter what I said, it would probably not come out how I meant it because I am so conflicted about Pluto right now.  (Pluto is trining itself in my chart, too, maybe that's part of my conflict)

Originally posted by Going Nodal
I hope I didn't sound like that's what I thought you said, Molly, because that's not what I thought.  I do know people who tell me over and over that it isn't important.  BUT I just don't buy that.  For horary, ok.  But not for natal.

No dear, I was responding to Urban Mermaid's post.  Sorry for not being clearer about it!

Molly

I am still trying to forget about a guy who I have my venus squaring his pluto.  I feel the same type obsession and powerful attraction as described, and cannot stop fixating on this relationship and that it should "be."  It has been a constant power and control struggle- and I'm not sure who is trying to dominate.  We have ALOT of other attraction factors going on- reciprocal venus-mars conjunction, sun-sun conjunct, moon-moon conjunct, moon-neptune conjunct, sun-mars conjunct, and about 10 other squares, and a handful of trines and sextiles.  If his pluto is involve with the square, and given these other aspects between us, can I assume that he is feeling the same pull and hard time forgetting about the relationship?  I had read that the venus person is the one who obsesses over the relationship and is caught up with the pluto person and that the pluto person will ultimately have the upper hand in deciding whether the relationship will move forward?

For three years I dated a girl with natal Venus square Pluto while transiting Pluto squared my Venus.

She pretty much wanted to swallow me whole for the first two years - after about three years we both got bored and broke up.

Ah well, that's what makes life exciting.

scorpio type?  well, I could qualify here but I can't exactly relate to what you say she was saying, even though I have similar aspects in my chart. 

The Scorpio in me wouldn't want me to express it anyway, even if I did relate.

I think when much younger, I may have put myself "thorugh the mill" and I know my love life was perhaps complicated until I finally found my mate.  I've been married since 1977 and I can't see myself marrying anyone else ever or being with anyone else.  That's just how it is for me.  I'm still in love.

I have them square.  Venus is on my M.H. and Pluto is well aspected to alot of my natal planets and is located in the 7th.  I think I have always had upheavals in close relationships ever since I was quite young. 

I read this aspect is responsible for liking sweets.......I do and wish I didn't. 

I don't know what is the biggest challenge, but I think you are right that it likely presents many challenges to those around us.  I am thankful my Jupiter is well aspected, too, hoping it counter balances some of the difficulties of the Venus/Pluto.  I have wished sometimes my Venus/Pluto wasn't so prominent.

Cairn, you have some deep thoughts there.  Sometimes Pluto is just so intense, in my mind.  I am trying very hard right now to be mellow around my son and his friend.  They are adjusting to alot and coping with alot and it wasn't their intent to be where they are now.  Life gives us turns that we just can't help sometimes.

My Pluto seems so doggone entwined with my natal planets that it's hard to escape the energy of it ever.  It's coming or going in my life and there's no in between.  I have a stellium in Libra so that brings up a very powerful relationship flavor to it all, as well as a strong indecisivie streak that clips the wings of Pluto now and again.

Just when I think I have it cruising along ok, getting along with everyone, the Moon (or some planet) comes along and activates my Uranus like lightning. 

I cannot avoid offending people sometimes, though I try quite hard not to.  I want to be easy going and easy to get along with but powerful energy shakes up my world and loosens my tongue and I wonder what I did, what happened.  Recently I wondered what was ruler of fingers in astrology.  I have injured two of them this last couple days.  One very bruised and one felt broken.  Not even sure how one of the injuries happened.  the bruising happened trying to move a box full of merchandise, and I knocked my knuckle against a desk.

hmmmm.  well said, once again.

I can relate to all you shared.  I have gone through alot in my 7th arena.  AT one point, too, we nearly died in a vehicular accident, TWICE. 

I find I have come full circle, a bit, in choosing those I want to spend time with.  I am moving back towards the types of people and lifestyle I sought when I was in my 20's and am walking away from some of the odd stuff I've accumulated in my relationship backpack...........but not counting  family members.  They will always have a special place. 

Yes, Venus/Pluto can be a great gift.  Yet, sometimes the gift comes through pain.  Wish I could buy you a cup of coffee or tea.........and talk about this more.

pain isn't a bad thing.  I know that.