Painfull situation!

[artemia]

Hello to all and i wish you a happy new year! First time i am posting here and i would like your thoughts about a horary chart.

The backround goes like that, we broke up 4 months ago and i cast a horary chart few days after for the question ''will we be together again''' and this is the original question. I will give you my
delineation for the chart and i would appreciate your thoughts, cause i am in extreme pain. In every horary question we were represented by mercury and jupiter indicating that the transits of this two planets affect us a lot but in january they will be in trine again, so maybe there will be a change for the better.

The moon -if i counted right- is the hour ruler and in a night chart the moon becomes a night ruler of the earth triplicity, the Asc in Gem 10°41'30" (i am gem), with the Lord of the Asc in virgo 9°31' - an earth sign- so i think the chart is readable. Desc in Sag (He lives in another town),10°41'30" , describe us well in this situation. Between Mercury and Jupiter there is a dexter partile trine with mutual application , cause jupiter is RX (meaning he will return?)... there is a good aspect between them and even though they say that with a trine aspect you do not need to look the essential dignities , i think i should. Mercury in rullership but receiving jupiter in detriment and receives his co-sign sun by face..Jupiter peregrine but in moon's exaltations and triplicity (my co-sign) and in mercury's term and face. Jupiter receiving mercury and mercury in rullership plus mercury is angular and jupiter candent in 12th house, there is an illness affetcing the matter. Moon is not void of course but peregrine in aries receiving mars by rulership and form an applaying square but mars is in his triplicity and in moon's rullership so there is mutual reception, that could indicating the fact that he blocked our communication from everywhere and could do nothing about that (peregrine) and also maybe indicates that breaking up with me by the phone really hurt me a lot, and it was a bad breaking. Mars in third house of communication squaring the moon as ruller of the third house and moon in radix 5th house of romance and radix 3 house of his communication signified by saturn, he had put a communication obstacle by blocking me, and his communication ruller in my third house opposing moon, so that could describe very well the blocking theme. Updating, recently he unblocked me so i supposed that the anger was gone i contact him to send my wishes but he reacted with anger, but before unblocking me tried to call me anonymously when he thought i was dating someone else, plus why to unblock someone when you don't want him to contact you!
The whole communication blocking acts as a separating influence, but usually Mars in the 3rd deals with heated words. Mars at least is in sect and has triplicity, so the anger is not quite so heatful, but I would worry it could be a more introverted issue that seethe because of his more watery placement and by being below the earth and occidental (he should be above the earth and oriental in a night chart). Sometimes it's better when Mars is more fiery because his nature is more outright, obvious and easily understood. I would advise myself against it with this influence to communicating via letter, email, etc. and i would prefer to talk to him in person, but at the time it was not and it's not possible and true any attempt via those types of communication backfired! Mute signs like Cancer can only fuel issues in romance and make things worse, even if they are more emotionally stimulating and "deep.

Anyway, normally the swifter planet is the one more keen on initiating the reconnection, especially when it is angular and the other is cadent, although a trine is an aspect of mutual love. This does look to be a relationship of mutual love but Jupiter, my lover, looks very unhappy and reluctant to get back together, due to his retro movement in the 12th house of secrets, sorrows and self-undoings. I find it unlikely he would initiate the reconnection, for whatever reason. There is a strong indication that he only cares for me (he's Jupiter, in a fixed sign) and that,can be supporting by Moon's North in Descendant suggesting that maybe destiny wants us to continue this relationship (the North Node has a symbolism of fate, mission to accomblish, direction in life) but at the same time this relationship maybe has caused him a lot of heartbreak, Venus is in fall in the 5th as his dispositor. Any reconciliation would require work on my part by being the most dignified planet in the chart.
We are applying mutually due to Jupiter's retro movement, so he does want to get back together as i do, but he would likely only respond after i initiate the reconnection and it may take effort on my part. I tried to do that after 4 months after unblocking me but without any luck, so yes it will take a lot of effort even though i don't know what else to do, for now i am letting it go. I do think it
looks like we will reunite ,mutable angular Mercury and less than a degree orb would suggest something like less than a month but jupiter fixed and cadent indicating an unknown time so i would guess that it could be less than a year.

My main concern would be that the Moon is besieged by separating from the oppsition to Saturn in the 5th, showing the pain this has caused to both, but will also next apply to square Mars in fall. There is a mutual reception between them, but neither are essentially good, so that influence is not of the most positive nature and the cardinal influence is often short-lived and upsetting. The square between moon and mars is 8 degrees apart so maybe that means that the communication blocking will go on for about 8 months, 4 months already passed and he did the step to unblock me even though he reacted when i contacted him. . I think the chart suggests that he cares only for me, meaning that i am the only woman that he loves. His significator is only with mine, is in a fixed sign, a sign of Venus and the NN sits in his house - all would suggest faithfulness and that he will not stray. Venus is in bad shape in the chart and is his dispositor, again showing the feeling of hurt and pain. - but Venus is close to the sign change and would entered her dignity, so hopefully that would show him changing from feeling cast aside to feeling loved by me again. Planets in fall feel betrayed by the world, etc. It is always best that a person's dispositor is dignified if they are not.
My significator in rullership in a priviledged position, while the 7th house ruler, his significator, is peregrine, has no essential dignity whatsoever, a very weakened position, with no control over the situation. That means that i am the only one in the position to do something about our relationship but i don't know what, i am losing hope! So, what would you think, is the matter will come to pass? Here is the chart. http://imageshack.us/f/535/astro2gw150willwebetoge.gif/

[fensi88]

From Me to Ju rx there is 26' so that is a little more then 5 months when you will be together again.

[artemia]

(01 Jan 2012 08:12)fensi88 Wrote:  From Me to Ju rx there is 26' so that is a little more then 5 months when you will be together again.

Happy new year Fensi88, thank you so much for your reply!.. As i thought so, something less than a year. So your deliniation for the chart is a ''yes'' answer, that is helpful! I hope we can resolve our differences and be together again.

[artemia]

.. Forgot to provide the date for those who would like to run it to their own program. Data for the question ' Will we be together again?'' .. We., 14 September 2011 in Athens, GRC, 23e43, 37n58 ,Time 11:14 p.m. I will update you so to know the outcome. Thank you.

[fensi88]

(01 Jan 2012 10:09)artemia Wrote:  .. Forgot to provide the date for those who would like to run it to their own program. Data for the question ' Will we be together again?'' .. We., 14 September 2011 in Athens, GRC, 23e43, 37n58 ,Time 11:14 p.m. I will update you so to know the outcome. Thank you.

Artemia, Hhappy New Year to you too. Your analyse of chart is excellent! And yes, his ruler rx is one more sing he will come back, you will be together, but as you said on your initiating...

[artemia]

Artemia, Hhappy New Year to you too. Your analyse of chart is excellent! And yes, his ruler rx is one more sing he will come back, you will be together, but as you said on your initiating...
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Thank you Fensi88! I am new in horary so i am trying to be very careful in my deliniations, but exactly because i am a novice i need the thoughts of someone with greater knowledge than mine, so i can learn more too.
I am a little concern of that cardinal influence that is often short-lived and upsetting. I am afraid that maybe we will get back together only to break up again, but i guess having that in my mind i could work to prevent it, if we get back together, and for that to happen it will really need a lot of effort!
Thank you so much for helping me understand better the chart.
By the way i was checking your journal, i could learn so much from your deliniations!

[Paula]

welcome to the forum.

who says that with a trine you do not need to look at the essential dignities? I agree with you that we should look at them. In my mind, they are a part of the essentials of the chart.

Good luck with your situation.

[artemia]

(01 Jan 2012 13:55)Paula Wrote:  welcome to the forum.

who says that with a trine you do not need to look at the essential dignities? I agree with you that we should look at them. In my mind, they are a part of the essentials of the chart.

Good luck with your situation.

Thank you for your wellcoming Paula! Have a happy new year!
Propably i phrased it using the wrong words, i meant looking receptions. I' ve seen in the past self-learning horary students to use a trine as a positive answer just because it is a trine, but this is not always the case. A trine it would be affective without any reception if only both parties where essentially and accidentaly dignified without any debilities, if there where reception even better, but in my case only my significator is dignified so i will not bring a trine aspect from an ill place, but exactly because the querent is dignified has the strenght to make this happen but not without obstacles because of mercury is in jupiters detriment, meaning that will not happen only by giving one or two tries but a lot of effort by my part but due to jupiters rx movement we will reunite eventually.
I am not sure if my deliniation is made by a subjective point of view, it's not always easy to interpret your horary chart, so if there is something you would like to point out i would be more than happy if you could post it, so i can gain knowledge through your insight. Do you agree with my deliniation or is there something that i am missing? I tried to do my best, though i could do more, i prefered to stick with the basics.

[Paula]

Have you thought of asking the question again? This question is over three months old........just curious. it still has life, but wondering if a more current question might be pressing on you now?

[Paula]

Have you thought of asking the question again? This question is over three months old........just curious. it still has life, but wondering if a more current question might be pressing on you now?

[artemia]

(02 Jan 2012 18:55)Paula Wrote:  Have you thought of asking the question again? This question is over three months old........just curious. it still has life, but wondering if a more current question might be pressing on you now?

Well i did almost 2 months later after i had some news for the situation but i thought i should not repeat it after 2 months.. the first was 14 September and for that first chart was my deliniation, i cast a new chart for the same question on Mo., 31 October 2011 in Athens, GRC, 23e43, 37n58
Time 2:00 a.m and the overall theme is alike with the first one.
At the second chart there is a partile trine of 0°46 between moon(co-sign of querent) and Jupiter (quesited). Moon is dignified by Triplicity but also in her detriment (felt cast out ) but the trine is received by Jupiter and there is reception by exaltation - triplicity and face. Again i was mercury and he was jupiter. If can find the time and you want to look at it i provided the data of both charts, if i am missing anything i would be happy if you could point it out and technically too, i am here to learn.

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I just ask the same question, you are an expert so advise me to do so means that of course you know more than me so i did it, concentrated and asked. I will look at it better later but as i can see from a fisrt look ... AGAIN.. i am Mercury he is Jupiter. No prohibitions or combustions, Mercury forms trine aspect with Jupiter received in rulership, although Mercury is not at his best - true at the moment i am not i am struggling with the whole situation- and moon conjucts Jupiter tight both peregrine but reception by triplicity and exaltation. I would say ''yes'' but i again with a lot of effort but i will look at it again to drag more informations from the chart.

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.. Forgot to provide the data at the previous post..!!!... I am in love, i forget! .. Will We Be Together Again? Mo., 2 January 2012
in Athens, GRC, 23e43, 37n58 , Time 9:37 p.m

[artemia]

I am in a hurry right now and i don't have the time to study the chart in depth but it is interesting how the first chart theme keeps repeating not only with the significators but with the communication issue.

At this chart moon is not aspecting mars as at the first chart maybe indicating the recent unblocking, though mars in mercury in asc and moon in aries in radix 3 house plus mars being the ruler of radix 3 house of his communication might show the recent unlucky contact we had, and true at the first chart mercury was degnified by rulership, and my caution was to not approach on my own terms- as i did after all- because planets that approach from their own dignity and the other's detriment are viewed as uncompromising or selfish.

As far as i can see there is still caring feelings for each other but i need to study the chart more.

What puzzles me is that the moon separate from a trine to mercury and is applying conjunction to jupiter, i am not sure whether i should take the moon as a co-sign or as a translator of light, if ithe latter is the case the moon rules 11th house of friends and the truth is that common friends want to do something to open the bridges of communication. Last aspect moon makes traditionaly is a conjunction with the quesited and even though moon in aries is peregrine will shortly pass to taurus where the moon is exalted, so maybe, if the moon signifies friends, they had no acting power till now or their tries were not effective till now.

I need to look at it very careful. I will be back when i have time to look at it. If anything new in the meantime i will update.

[artemia]

If i counted right In Moon day with the moon in Aries (fire) and Hour Ruler Jupiter with Ascendant in Virgo rule by Mercury in Sagittarius a sign under Jupiters command, plus in a night chart Jupiter rules the fire Triplicity so Ruler of the Ascendant in a fire sign so is moon. The Ascendant is not early or late and is not in Via Combusta, moon is not void of course and Saturn is not located in the Ascendant, significators and moon free of combustion. Querent (Mercury) in Sag 22°17 in his detriment but with a weak essential dignity by Term and accidentaly dignified by being angular in the 4th house and degnified below the horizon, occidental, in a night chart and direct in motion. Quesited (Jupiter) in taurus 0°28' peregrine but accidentaly dignified by being oriental and above the horizon and in highest elevation posited in 9th house and direct in motion. The moon in Aries 28°41' peregrine but about to enter taurus where it will be essentially dignified by exaltation, accidentaly dignified in 9th house posited in highest elevation but oriental above the horizon is should be occidental and below the horizon. North Node essentially dignified by being in exaltation in 12°52 of sag and accidentaly dignified by being angular in 4th house. Part of Fortune strong in 22°23' of sag and angular neither combust or under sunbeams and in an applying conjunction of 0°06 orb with Mercury (Querrent).

Mercury seperated by a square with Mars, Mars is ruler of his radix 3 house of comunication posited in the 1st house peregrine in Virgo and accidental debility by being occidental in a night chart ( he should be oriental) but it has sect, and with the moon in aries disposited my Mars and in his 3 house of communication could indicate not only the unblocking theme but more the recent unlucky difficult(square) communication via e- mail and the sadneess that caused me by his reaction through the mail ( moon in aries in his radix 3 house disposited by radix 3 ruler mars in 1st house ) . After Mercury's separate from Mars applys to Jupiter ( quesited ) in a platic dexter trine of 8°11 degrees with reception by rulership and Face. The trine is received by Jupiter in rulership and Mercury receives Jupiter by face, even though the essential dignity of jupiter by Term is not the best cause in sag it's in his detriment but i thing the accidental dignity and the conjunction with the strong part of fortune helps him to act, same goes for Jupiter due to his accidental dignity and the between reception with mercury gives some help i suppose to his peregrine state. Jupiter also is ruler of the nadir, 4th house , the end of the matter and strong north node and part of fortune posited in the end of the matter, maybe indicates that we will be together after all but we have a lot to learn and a lot to overcome too. Moon is not in a good place essentialy and accidentaly has a weak power but aspects the quesited (Jupiter) tight in a 1°47 conjunction by reception, jupiter receives the conjunction by Triplicity and moon receives Jupiter in exaltation, the reception helps kinda the peregrine state of the moon and Jupiter, but the moon separated from a trine to mercury and next applys to jupiter so i am not sure whether i should take the moon as a co-significator or a translator of light, moon rules the 11th house of friendship ( but 11th house rules technology too, i used technology to comunicate with him, so the seperation may indicate our recent e-mail comunication).

I just saw that due to Jupiters rx (before turning direct) movement Quesited(Jupiter) was moving to an opposition with Saturn, but the will never complete the aspect cause jupiter turned direct so he is moving away from the opposition (the skies rescued me from a refranation), now this aspect could indicate again the obstacles he was putting in our communication cause saturn is essentially dignified in my 3 house of communication in a mutual reception with Venus, ruler of my 3 house so that could mean that he will stop resisting the brigade of communication, it could also mean that he will stop listening to his friendly enviroment cause saturn is also ruler of his radix 11th house but i think that due to mutual reception with the ruler of my third house of communication i would say that the first case fits better that the latter.

Also, i am not sure if in the chart i should asign the sun as co-sign of quesited, sun is ruler of 12 house of secrets posited in radix 11th house and disposited by saturn in the third house of my communication and in applying trine with mars, the ruler of radix 3 house of his communication, disposited by Mercury (querent ) and in the 1st house. That may be an interfier from a friend of his, hidden actions of them to brigage the communication perhaps, cause they know that i don't want anyone to interfier, cause when that happens things become more complicate than already are, not always the case though.

I would say a ''yes'' answer to the question but again as i initiated at the deliniation of the fisrt chart it will be with a lot of effort of my part and after i initiate the reconection either myself again or through friends. Technicaly propably made mistakes or missed something but i don't want to ''see'' more to the chart than i am capable of cause i am a novice so it's better not to, any kind of help to understand the chart better would be wellcome.

Thank you.

[Paula]

When I first started horary I asked the question too many times and the chart would show the same theme and energy, but in time would seem to spin out and reveal less. However, if 4 to 6 months have passed since the first horary and the question is now somewhat different than it was originally, I generally believe that a new chart might be helpful to show current status of situation.

I have family visiting that won't be back for a good while due to a move across country so I cannot take a look at this point in time. Perhaps someone else is out there and would care to give it a look?

Good luck to you.

[Paula]

When I first started horary I asked the question too many times and the chart would show the same theme and energy, but in time would seem to spin out and reveal less. However, if 4 to 6 months have passed since the first horary and the question is now somewhat different than it was originally, I generally believe that a new chart might be helpful to show current status of situation.

I have family visiting that won't be back for a good while due to a move across country so I cannot take a look at this point in time. Perhaps someone else is out there and would care to give it a look?

Good luck to you.

[artemia]

(05 Jan 2012 11:54)Paula Wrote:  When I first started horary I asked the question too many times and the chart would show the same theme and energy, but in time would seem to spin out and reveal less. However, if 4 to 6 months have passed since the first horary and the question is now somewhat different than it was originally, I generally believe that a new chart might be helpful to show current status of situation.

I have family visiting that won't be back for a good while due to a move across country so I cannot take a look at this point in time. Perhaps someone else is out there and would care to give it a look?

Good luck to you.

That is why i wanted to stick to the chart i casted the first time, it's been almost 4 months since then, at the chart i casted recently there is the same theme but a little bit better, maybe cause it's been 4 months and we had the time to calm our feelings and think straight.

At the second chart i casted few days ago there is a tight conjunction between moon and quesited but out of sign but i do not consider it void but propably means that something has to change or about to change for the better, moon enters taurus where is exalted.

Paula it's ok i understand! Thank you for your reply, i hope someone with more experience could take the time to look at my analysis and the chart

I will update if anything changes.

Thank you again.