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blonde_venus · 18 Sep 2011, 21:41

I am venus and moon. I am at my 12th house. It is true that I have him in my mind. Venus is at her home. He is Sun and Saturn. Saturn is at a good position. Moon will trine Saturn. What do you think about?

***Paula*** · 19 Sep 2011, 10:37

The part of marriage, which might help you with this chart, would be found with the forumula:
Asc + Desc minus Venus. You can assign a 1 - 360 to each placement and then mathematically come to the location of this part. The planet that is the dispositor of this part of marriage signifies "marriage" for the chart. According to John Frawley, in his Horary Textbook, (Pages 120-123) the part will not be helpful for timing.

Remember:
"Dignity shows power to act
Reception shows inclination to act
Aspect shows occasion to act" page 176 The Real Astrology by John Frawley.

It's very helpful to have all three of these in a chart.

I will say that Moon location in the 12th house indicates some weakness that you have at this point in time. Saturn in Libra has dignity, and is in a better house position than Moon.

As you have chosen not to note the chart details, and I am on a computer that takes too long to convert your thumbnail into something I can use, that's all the help I can give at this time. Good luck!

blonde_venus · 19 Sep 2011, 17:18

(19 Sep 2011 10:37)Paula Wrote: The part of marriage, which might help you with this chart, would be found with the forumula:
Asc + Desc minus Venus. You can assign a 1 - 360 to each placement and then mathematically come to the location of this part. The planet that is the dispositor of this part of marriage signifies "marriage" for the chart. According to John Frawley, in his Horary Textbook, (Pages 120-123) the part will not be helpful for timing.

Remember:
"Dignity shows power to act
Reception shows inclination to act
Aspect shows occasion to act" page 176 The Real Astrology by John Frawley.

It's very helpful to have all three of these in a chart.

I will say that Moon location in the 12th house indicates some weakness that you have at this point in time. Saturn in Libra has dignity, and is in a better house position than Moon.

As you have chosen not to note the chart details, and I am on a computer that takes too long to convert your thumbnail into something I can use, that's all the help I can give at this time. Good luck!

thank you for your information.

Israel · 11 Oct 2011, 23:30

Hi Paula - if I did the math correctly, Venus is at 17 Vir 01'. Asc is 6 Can 08'. This puts the Part of Marriage at 25 Lib 17', making the Dispositor Venus, who is 4 Lib 42' (Essential Dignity) and the 4th house according to the thumb img. Does this conclude yes to marriage?

***Paula*** · (This post was last modified: 12 Oct 2011 11:02 by Paula.)

In my opinion it could be one point in favor of that outcome. In a question such as this, I would want to look for at least three indicators that marriage would occur. I'd want an aspect with reception between both parties, and some dignity in their significators, to make it short. The part of marriage would be something that would help me tip the scales if I am undecided.

I'm sorry I don't get more involved in the charts lately. My life has been super busy and I just barely visit this forum anymore, touching bases but not really landing. My goal in putting up this forum was to help people learn how to do their own horary charts, and figure out the correct answer themselves. It provides opportunity for folks to do this, and to post the results hopefully, but my job here isn't to give the final answer. Thanks for posting your math and POM placement, though, Israel. I always double check the details when math is involved, too, just to be sure.

blonde_venus · (This post was last modified: 12 Oct 2011 11:21 by blonde_venus.)

(12 Oct 2011 11:01)Paula Wrote: In my opinion it could be one point in favor of that outcome. In a question such as this, I would want to look for at least three indicators that marriage would occur. I'd want an aspect with reception between both parties, and some dignity in their significators, to make it short. The part of marriage would be something that would help me tip the scales if I am undecided.

I'm sorry I don't get more involved in the charts lately. My life has been super busy and I just barely visit this forum anymore, touching bases but not really landing. My goal in putting up this forum was to help people learn how to do their own horary charts, and figure out the correct answer themselves. It provides opportunity for folks to do this, and to post the results hopefully, but my job here isn't to give the final answer. Thanks for posting your math and POM placement, though, Israel. I always double check the details when math is involved, too, just to be sure.

Paula,
thank you for your post. I just wonder if there is any source online about
dignity and reception.

(11 Oct 2011 23:30)Israel Wrote: Hi Paula - if I did the math correctly, Venus is at 17 Vir 01'. Asc is 6 Can 08'. This puts the Part of Marriage at 25 Lib 17', making the Dispositor Venus, who is 4 Lib 42' (Essential Dignity) and the 4th house according to the thumb img. Does this conclude yes to marriage?

thank you. I will update surely the outcome.

fensi88 · (This post was last modified: 13 Oct 2011 10:28 by fensi88.)

Yes, Moon goes to trine Sa, but before that, it square Me, so Me interfere. If that make some sense you will marry, otherwise not. Me is lord of 4 house, so for example if you live together in your flat before marriage then you will marry, otherwise not.

blonde_venus · (This post was last modified: 13 Oct 2011 10:31 by blonde_venus.)

(13 Oct 2011 10:25)fensi88 Wrote: Yes, Moon goes to trine Sa, but before that, it square Me, so Me interfere. If that make some sense you will marry, otherwise not. Me is lord of 4 house, so for example if you live together in your flat before marriage then you will marry, otherwise not.

thank you ! why should we look mercury? whose ruler is? we do not live together.

***Paula*** · 13 Oct 2011, 11:00

Fensi might be thinking that 4th ruler sometimes indicates the "end of the matter" so ruler of 4th shows end of matter.

A planet that aspects a significator before the two significators make their aspect can prevent an outcome from happening. One needs to look at other pertinent chart details to determine the meaning of a prohibition. There are three ways a prohibition can occur, as listed on page 94 of The Horary Textbook. The whole picture is what makes it all come together and make sense. Sometimes the interference can just mean a delay, but it can also mean a change in direction. I'm speaking generally here. I am on the run and not looking at your chart at all to make this post.

blonde_venus · 13 Oct 2011, 12:37

(13 Oct 2011 11:00)Paula Wrote: Fensi might be thinking that 4th ruler sometimes indicates the "end of the matter" so ruler of 4th shows end of matter.

A planet that aspects a significator before the two significators make their aspect can prevent an outcome from happening. One needs to look at other pertinent chart details to determine the meaning of a prohibition. There are three ways a prohibition can occur, as listed on page 94 of The Horary Textbook. The whole picture is what makes it all come together and make sense. Sometimes the interference can just mean a delay, but it can also mean a change in direction. I'm speaking generally here. I am on the run and not looking at your chart at all to make this post.

does it also mean no communication between us because mercury represents communication?

***Paula*** · 14 Oct 2011, 11:29

That's a very general statement, and in horary what the planet signifies by house rulership trumps a natural rulership, though we still look and consider the natural meaning of the planets.