Global economy collapse

[stardancer]

Hey all.

Is there anything in the starry sky that could explain the pending global economical catastrophe?
My only guess is Saturn-Leo-Bush, but its far from everything I take.

Comments?

[silviam]

In her book on eclipses Celeste Teal mentions that the solar eclipse of the 19th will touch the New York Stock Exchange Chart.

[stardancer]

...yes, and the on 19th of august it culminates....they say...
...for those that are annihilsts..
...just trying to foresee through the stars, nothing else..
..matters..

...watch out for environmental impact of global climate change with its effect on a logarithmic economical growth expansion in Asia and India...and the domino effect on the global economy... things might get severe...rather soon...

btw, I am puzzled by the low interest on this issue in this forum...
on the other hand I might have a dramatic personality disorder:-)

[molly]

Last time the market seriously crashed, in 1929, Uranus was in Aries. Uranus enters Aries again in 2010.

[stardancer]

If you check the timeframe on this post, and remember what happened in the stockmarkets last august,
she was right...

What else did she have to say?

Is it time to revive this thread?

How is it going out there and what in the sky can explain it?

[Heathen]

Pluto in Capricorn sets a nice backdrop to breakdown of systems.

[stardancer]

OK.
I thought pluto wasnt that influential..
Then again, who knows..
Strange there is no big concern on this topic.

Enjoy life in stead..

[nester]

Must be the residue of the Scorpio full moon, ppl would rather chitter about tits-n-ass.

[stardancer]

Could be
Could be

Still no interest here..
We can just discard this post right away and chat away on T&A and other passivist stories as the financial meltdown unfolds..

[tracy]

global economical catastrophe has to be rooted in something.... that's where you gotta look imo.

Pluto goes into capricorn...and not even as much as 1 degree and food sources start to dry up, whether because of weather, encroaching cities, poor farming.. seems to be a variety of issues. but suddenly Rice is a problem? What's it going to be like when it goes back and really starts to dig in?

[nathan119]

One of the Magi things I relate to is that EVERYTHING has a chart..

The transits and progressions to and of that chart would then theoretically explain how things would unfold for said chart.

The tricky part here would be identifying what chart we are talking about.

Is there a birthday for the "World Economy" ?

[stardancer]

Still dont get it.
How come you are not concerned on these issue?
Bailouts turning USA into USSR, Latoc etc. etc.
Whats up with that?

[Paula]

I am very concerned. It's difficult to talk about though. Some say Jupiter and Saturn contacts are very important for predicting financial cycles.

This has been coming for a long time. Think about it. Just because we don't talk about this doesn't mean we don't care. I am a bit shell shocked to find this posted on Wikipedia as a global stock market crash in Sept of 2008. I mean, that's large.

The stories are painful to listen to....the folks who have lost everything.

I just finished reading Dorothy Kovach's writing in the Llewellyn's Moon Book for 2009 financial forecasts. It was very interesting.


I think alot of people care. But, what can we say? It's kinda like an event takes our breath away, shocks and surprises us, and words fail us.

Or, so it seems to me.

I am trying hard to not be afraid of tomorrow. Talking about it makes it hard to face the next step in whatever happens. It is easier to take this a day at a time, for me.

[Newmoon]

Stariq - interesting as always - http://stariq.com/Main/Articles/P0008991.HTM

Here in SA our cabinet ministers are resigning one after the other as we wait to see who our new president is. I think all the people I know who are moving out the city and to farms to grow their own food have the right idea.

[nester]

stardancer Wrote:Still dont get it.
How come you are not concerned on these issue?
Bailouts turning USA into USSR, Latoc etc. etc.
Whats up with that?

I'd like to know how you knew this was going to happen w/o using astrology? Are you psychic?

Personally I don't find astrology useful for predicting events but more for general energy states that'll be happening around a certain period of time. I find it distracting and a waste of time and almost always wrong when ppl try to predict the future except in general terms.

I can't really talk about the state of my country because I'm so pissed off. However I am in reality, more of us will be in reality when Pluto's in Capricorn. I consider it the mandate of reality. Maybe it'd be better if the Pres. election was held when Pluto crossed to Cap as then there'd be less ppl pulling votes out of their backends. Maybe.

[isthmus nekoi]

Raymond Merriman predicted the 2008 crash way back when, writing for StarIQ. Readers of this thread might like his site: http://www.mmacycles.com/

[Keishin]

nester Wrote:I can't really talk about the state of my country because I'm so pissed off. However I am in reality, more of us will be in reality when Pluto's in Capricorn. I consider it the mandate of reality. Maybe it'd be better if the Pres. election was held when Pluto crossed to Cap as then there'd be less ppl pulling votes out of their backends. Maybe.

Personally between that and Saturn in Virgo opposing Uranus in Pisces around that time . . . hmm, is it any wonder the blogosphere has been "the place" that's being watched? The clashing of the traditional with the new promises to be interesting.

[nester]

Y'know Keishin, I wonder if this will amount to a sudden change in the areas ruled by those houses in our charts? For me then I guess it'd all be work-related .. Pluto ruling the 6th, Saturn-Uranus across the 4th-10th. At about that time it's almost guaranteed the company I work for will be granted permission to merge with another big company - it'll be the largest of it's kind in the world. There's some personal worry for me because I was freakily and unjustly fired (I think they did it as a 'lesson' / handslapping) and reinstated last year, it's likely the combined company will be non-union. The other company is working very hard behind the scenes to disrupt the banding together of employees, even going so far as to request a special paragraph be inserted in the National Mediation Board's method of operations that would make a vote not even happen .. basically that line says if the NMB (now unfortunately neutered and basically a little tool of the Republican agenda) feels there's a majority unionized or un-unionized it'll stay that way in the combined company. So....forget the votes of 15,000 + people.

On a positive note .. I just looked through my personnel file and there's nothing that jumps out and says I was terminated.

As for what you said about blogs .. oh geez I hate to say this .. but McCain doesn't even know how to use a computer apparently, do you think there's a large chunk of ppl who, like him, aren't exposed to the thinking of a wider range of Americans and are going to sleepily fall under the desperate party spin I can really see on tv and surface media like cnn.com? Cnn.com yesterday had a large banner on the top of it's political section featuring what must be the only dynamic (not to mention younger version - airbrushed?) photo of McCain in existence .. and what seemed like dozens of Palin. Have they been purchased?

(I wrote all this and am only on one cup of coffee!)

[tracy]

Between 1980-1982 is the beginning of AIDS. At that time, Pluto was in the last decendent of Libra and by the time Pluto went into Scorpio Fall 1984, AIDS was a full blown crisis. In fact the same month Pluto officially moved into Scorpio was the same month that there was a world wide conference on the AIDS and the global implications. Naturally, Pluto in Scorpio is associated with AIDS. It came earlier but the world crisis part of it happened when it left libra and moved into scorpio.

I see the same thing happenening now. The issues of capricorn, banking, commerce, megamoney...have been on everyone's radar for the last year or 2. But now as we are about to have Pluto move officially out of Sag we are in the crisis.
If you go back to Pluto in Scorpio and AIDS...what happened between 1984 and I would say, maybe 1993 was HUGE time for AIDS. It certainly is still an issue but there has been some type of shift, perhaps down shift at least in some countries. I can't help but think that the same will be true for Pluto in Cap. We're in this shit for awhile.

[Paula]

Just a side note: McCain cannot use a computer because of his war injuries. Both of his arms and hands were broken in multiple places and times. Because he cannot use his hands enough to log onto a computer may not necessarily mean he doesn't know how. I wonder if anyone has taken a look at his chart related to all the broken bones? Interesting that he chose a running mate with a STRONG SATURN (bones).

I agree it's a little odd/tough to imagine running for President and not using the internet, but I'm sure he can get help with any research he needs.

Tracy, I think you are right that we are in this "shit" for awhile. Maybe we'll get a few windfall/times of relief now and then, though.

[Keishin]

nester Wrote:As for what you said about blogs .. oh geez I hate to say this .. but McCain doesn't even know how to use a computer apparently, do you think there's a large chunk of ppl who, like him, aren't exposed to the thinking of a wider range of Americans and are going to sleepily fall under the desperate party spin I can really see on tv and surface media like cnn.com?

See, that's exactly the kind of clash I'm expecting to see - those who are net-saavy and those who are not. I don't think it's a matter of intelligence per se, but lacking the exposure to different points of view. Think about Uranus in Pisces - new paradigms through technology, different ways of thinking that are slippery to contain and difficult to control, and attempts to synthesize the Old and the New. Saturn in Virgo howver is all about controlling the details, which I'm seeing in the obsessive interest in everything related to the campaign, whether it is essential or not.

Oy. I agree with Garrison Keiller - every day for the last year has been "President's Day."

Quote:Y'know Keishin, I wonder if this will amount to a sudden change in the areas ruled by those houses in our charts? For me then I guess it'd all be work-related .. Pluto ruling the 6th, Saturn-Uranus across the 4th-10th.

I know what you mean! I have Neptune in the 6th however, so . . . yeah . . . everything at work has been very loosey-goosey. The H4 stuff has shown itself (I bought a new house) but the H10 is still playing itself out right now. I'm just keeping my fingers crossed and hoping for the best at work right now. This is when Neptune's uncertainty sucks.

[stardancer]

nester Wrote:I'd like to know how you knew this was going to happen w/o using astrology? Are you psychic??

I just know when my leg is pulled and when its not. The exuberant optimism of the latest years was all too good to be true. The US gov is a bunch of crooks. I will not rant away on the issue, but I hope all the readers in the forum are aware of the evolving facism. It is so sad, you were once free.

If you spend 2 hours reading alternative blogs, you find out the truth is exactly the opposite of what they tell you in bubble-vision.

So, I am not psychic, just inquiring.


Yes, I understand it makes you angry.

You, your children and their grandchildren will pick up the bill if this bailout of toxic mortages passes.
The gamblers are bailing out the casino

Worse yet, this shit is so contagious, it spread to the whole wide world and there is now a worldwide concomitant housing, equity, credit, energy and financial bubble popping everywhere at the same time...

And the only two choices remaining to get out of this financial calamity are
1. 1929 deflation and depression, or
2. Zimbawe style hyperinflation

[tracy]

Question to ask:
For those living in the USA. What exactly does this nation produce that the world wants to buy?
Isn't it all produced elsewhere?
My mercury in Capricorn in the 10th has been asking that for awhile.

[nester]

Our nation produces an entertaining tale of immorality, 'what not to do', and eventual implosion. Other than that we're apparently dependent on Target to provide us with basic household needs (made in China). I don't know about you but I feel much better surrounded by useless doodads.

[nester]

stardancer Wrote:

nester Wrote:I'd like to know how you knew this was going to happen w/o using astrology? Are you psychic??

I just know when my leg is pulled and when its not. The exuberant optimism of the latest years was all to good to be true. The US gov is a bunch of crooks. I will not rant away on the issue, but I hope all the readers in the forum are aware of the evolving facism. It is so sad, you were once free.

If you spend 2 hours reading alternative blogs, you find out the truth is exactly the opposite of what they tell you in bubble-vision.

So, I am not psychic, just inquiring.


Yes, I understand it makes you angry.

You, your children and their grandchildren will pick up the bill if this bailout of toxic mortages passes.
The gamblers are bailing out the casino

Worse yet, this shit is so contagious, it spread to the whole wide world and there is now a worldwide concomitant housing, equity, credit, energy, financial bubble popping everywhere at the same time...

And the only two choices remaining to get out of this financial calamity are
1. 1929 deflation and depression, or
2. Zimbawe style hyperinflation

There were some people, many people, who, because they had access to getting more and more and more for themselves did it w/o thinking it had consequence on the whole. Besides the people they screwed weren't in their line of vision: out of sight, out of mind.

-You, your children and their grandchildren will pick up the bill if this bailout of toxic mortages passes.-

I would not have children in this mess. We're already overpopulated and the high competition for anything good has really reduced the quality of and value given to anyone's life....I do feel this is the mass clean up effort Pluto in Virgo is being called to do. Whether they want to or not. It feels definitely like a boulder has been planted in the middle of my back between my shoulder blades. Did I earn this? Um, no. I've lived frugally and simply and understood if I want one thing it may cancel out another (I like to travel and have forsaken nice goodies in my home, clothes, and eating out for example). My parents were never like this. They'd squall like infants if deprived of anything - 'how dare 'they' do this to me!'

I was disgusted seeing Bill Clinton do his part to fertilize the cult of personality in the political arena by not focusing on the issues and actually flattering the Republicans by complimenting Palin's personality. Pluto in Leo has been all about ego and you can see it in his snub of Obama because Obama snuffed out Hillary's campaign. At what point in time was it decided politicians were to be celebrities living in their bubble apart from Americans and that they exist to have their egos stroked?

In other news I've run across an interesting character on one of these intl. forums I'm on. He rarely posts but when he does they're concise posts of what companies are croaking next. In June he said Subject Line: WaMu Message: broke by winter. That thread was brought back up when WaMu was in fact bought on the 25th, and he added that at this time next year 100 banks will have gone belly up. They have ways and means of making money off dying companies...